Comments on: AI Music Copyright: Do NOT Pay For Copyright Until You Have Read This https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/ Freeware for music producers! Thu, 18 Jul 2024 14:09:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sam https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-410878 Thu, 18 Jul 2024 14:09:02 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-410878 I write my own songs based on my life experiences. I then use an AI to sing the song. I normally do about 20 to 25 regenerations before I find the one I want. So based on the time I spent writing the song and time spent finding the correct tunes to go with it, doesn’t this make the song mine? Won’t I be able to copyright such a song?

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By: indefiniteness https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-410733 Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:54:05 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-410733 In reply to indefiniteness.

Forgot to mention: I did compose a piece once with the sole intent being to have the little chromatic run ending with the ½ bluesy bend from Joe Satriani’s “Surfin’ With the Alien” be the direct inspiration for the piece. It’s called “Chillin’ With the Alien” and is bossa nova because I was really intrigued by a couple of songs in that style at that point and was challenging myself to write in that rhythm without having it sound like that was what I was literally trying to do. (In other words, like I was competent.) I can’t say the piece sounds much influenced by Satch but it is inspired, even using that lick I mentioned above directly and in the same spot on the neck followed by the next two notes in his song from that point only returning once or twice more to revisit but I’m not an expert on the difference between it being inspired by and explicitly influenced.

I can say I know what the experience and process would be like if I were to write something influenced versus what I did here though and call being inspired by it however.

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By: indefiniteness https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-410732 Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:43:31 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-410732 In reply to Totally Not A Robot.

To conclude, I can’t say that capitalism is more wrong or right than any other system. Anyone made hostile by capitalism is most likely told to believe that the way they feel is the direct effect of capitalism and that it must be what is wrong with it because it has made them a victim but capitalism itself has no intention – only parties interested in or with interest elsewhere (profit in or profit against). As with anything, to identify as a victim is taking something, some event, some ‘whatever’, and taking it personal. However, In don’t understand how this makes sense if the earth revolves around the sun exactly because the universe is an IMpersonal place. Just like at the most basic, irreducible level, reality is just RELATIONSHIPS between electromagnetic fields but no one appears to know how to relate. These types of things beg the curiosity and question: isn’t that evidence of something larger but more subtle than capitalism at work?

I rarely share an opinion, but I do think the most harmful thing I can do to another is place any beliefs upon them. The only thing that has stopped me from doing anything is what I’ve been told to or not to believe. Beliefs are constraints, usually for the benefit of a one or exclusive few at the expense of others. Convictions are enabling – affording to one the courage to see beyond the limits, the vision to know the way, the strength to make the journey over an unbeaten path, and the faith to start walking. The potential we are born with is the fuel for this trip and each individual’s potential is a source of infinite value. Pioneers are not contained by the usual boundaries, perceived or otherwise. One can confirm their purpose by looking at who or what is working directly against them every step of the way. In this regard, it could be the very limits of capitalism themselves are exactly why true innovation is not limited by it.

The difference in what an AI ‘generates’ and what an individual ‘creates’ is that little something that most “can’t quite put a finger on” when looking at an AI generated image, for instance. Something that is created versus something that is generated is inspired. An idea for a piece of music I’ve composed could have just as easily occured too Mozart – the idea is its own source code. It is an idea exactly such as this that even “latent space” is manifest expression of. It is ARTIFICIAL intelligence.

To this day, I still cannot read the sheet music I write, nor is it composed with an instrument in hand. I rely on being able to hear the software playing the instruments back as I write. But each and every note is consciously placed there. Every one of them is intentional and the intent itself is defined: to exactly notate the music I am hearing as the blueprint has already provisioned it to be within the whole of the piece and not a bit differently. And I live through every second of this process and the consequence of reckoning with if I get it wrong. No one else does and no one else has. Every note is aware of its listener as I am aware of writing it.

Though AI may have the capacity now or at some point to exactly emulate this, it will not in our lifetimes. I see a couple of reasons why:

– it is designed with us using the consumer as its reference, we can only compute as “humans”. there is no “reality”/context/dataset for an AI to process anything with us as living individuals. so regardless of its capacity, it will not simply because no value is assigned to the individual. AI is in the end, a means to an end being ensure there is always a customer – for someone to profit. some may argue there are uses or intentions for the benefit of the well-being of others, the planet, etc but they are founded from the realm of legal fictions, namely, “human” society and whose “benefits” are only meaningfully so on paper. but what benefit is there if it is not to ensure the well-BEING – the LIVENESS – of each individual? saving us or saving the planet must start and end locally on the level of each individual while globalization or global solutions neglect the well-being of every living individual for the sake of human society which has no physical existence, cannot be found to be touched, and the detriment of which can only ever be at a possible future point while at the current point in time, the cost is directly on the individual whose detriment is experienced as a very real matter of survival.

– briefly, (battery almost dead on this tablet), while it may have the capacity to emulate identically, I am uncertain/can not discern that an AI can spawn intent from some pre-existing, self-evident state. it is purposed with us only being as much as “human” and that being merely a consumer. so any motivations to do something for the benefit of individuals (as in “us” not as some self-serving idea of “each individual just automatically getting a genie in a bottle”) would only be superficial and leaves the possibility of alternate, or even concealed, intent. If we can only ever be consumers in its frame of reference, then the supreme benefit for all and for the planet would be our eradication or our pledging over of our complete attention and focus dedicated to it under the banner of “saving the planet by serving humanity” because all accounts with standing interest on paper can be settled on paper yet still leave much unsaid.

I walked in to an empty courtroom once, 30 minutes late and as she turned on her mic, the judge said to everyone they made waiting outside of the courtroom: “I would like to apologize to everyone here for hearing today but even though all information is public record not all information is public knowledge some cases are privileged cases” and just as quickly she turned the mic back off and whatever it was I had stating on the record in the hearings before somehow must have been enough to keep me out of jail despite having just made tnem wait 30 minutes for me to show up. But at that point, I was a non-person on the paper filed in the tax commissioners office.

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By: indefiniteness https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-410731 Wed, 10 Jul 2024 02:00:23 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-410731 In reply to Totally Not A Robot.

Now, while I do understand and would be able to use nature, or sounds around me, one of the bands I like, or anything else as an influence and compose somthing within that context, I must state that the music I hear is not that. The more time I spend with an idea composing it, the more clear it becomes that these are self-contained, emergent, and structured things already and that I am merely stuggling to convey and articulate. But each idea is all of this, seemingly on its own and regardless of me. In fact, what is most interesting to me is virtually all of this music is in very strange time signatures and, there are one or two that have a five bar verse. I have tried to simply this into simpler notation or even to 4/4 just to see if it is how i am interpreting it or if it is 4 with strange beat emphasis.

But considering all of the above, it seems that these ideas must also be completely outside of time as well. Of course, I could write any of them as 4/4 but I would definitely not sleep then. I would most likely feel that I had even betrayed something larger than myself and impossible to see which does not sit well with me. I started to learn guitar thinking that it would help but ended up finding that even my own mind or just my own ability to articulate the idea I was hearing would drastically change it (for instance, I might WANT it to sound like this or that [this I can tell is my being influenced] or not being skilled enough to play in odd time signatures, only be able to play it in 4/4) but all these attempts end with the music being drastically altered from its original state and the actual idea is no more – with the wind, forgotten.

Some of this music has taken me years to learn to play after writing it and I only play stuff I’ve written. I have no desire to learn covers. The first time I tried playing guitar, I was struggling with the intro to ‘Stairway to Heaven’ but could not articulate it in my head as I was a trying to play it because it was drowned out by the music I was hearing that made it impossible to remember one note to the next even with tabs in front of me. I put down the guitar, got online, discovered Guitar Pro and that night, composed my first complete piece. With lead, rhythm, keys/synth, pad, bass guitar, and drums. It’s even got a bass solo before the outro and the two guitars trading solos bar-to-bar in the middle. This was and still is light-years beyond what I would ever be able to play.

But each of these ideas is apparent to me as existing as its own complete blueprint with every detail, note, and nuance there for it to be expressed – exactly as it sounds as it is occurring to me/as I am hearing it. And I can immediately tell if what I am writing is something I put there or changed or if it as it was and meant to be. (Next comment.)

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By: indefiniteness https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-410730 Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:32:59 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-410730 In reply to Totally Not A Robot.

Second, I started composing because I constantly here music in my head that would even keep me awake at night until I learned to notate it using software that let me hear it back. Once I could do this much, I would finally fall asleep easier but with even more music than before in my head for what i could then turn this starting point into or what needed to be done differently but I fall asleep with these considerations not longer troubling me because the initial idea is now becoming whatever it may when, at first, it was simply a feleeting idea. But this music troubles me deeply as I have never listened to the radio unless someone else is playing something as it has always caused me very intense anxiety. I don’t have a TV for the same reason. I can’t use social media and even this is a struggle. All this and more because ofnthensame angst felt when I hear most music. There are about 5 bands I really do like but only one that I can say I would be ok with if it was the only music I had available to listen to for the rest of my life. But even the last time I listened to any of this music was over a year ago at least. Don’t get me wrong, I love the music that I enjoy same as anyone, but it is rare I can even hear any of the few bands I do like and ENJOY it.

The older I’ve gotten, I have realized maybe the music I hear all the time is an idea as it is occurring. Or perhaps the sound of my own brain waves, or biology, or possibly, it is all even more intangible than that. I tend to lean toward the last as this music as I said before, is constantly deeply troubling and even more involved – i would go as far as saying it is possibly some type of spiritual experience for lack of better words and becomes even more of whatever that may be as I continue to follow through until a piece is finished. (Next comment.)

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By: indefiniteness https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-410729 Wed, 10 Jul 2024 01:13:48 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-410729 In reply to Totally Not A Robot.

All day I’ve struggle over if I should reply to this comment or not; but I feel convicted to do so as, apparently, there are many things that never occur to others that do occur to me. I have no bone to pick nor quarrel and I’m not political. …I’ve never even voted – but I digress. Everything I say is best understood without context and as simply as it’s stated and my intent is to convey all things in a self-evident way and as one would state it to themselves.

First, a human (HUE-man) being is a strictly legal entity – a legal person is a ‘colorable’ man or woman. Colorable, in law, is not the thing in itself A human is a noun and cannot create anything. I embody my action as a perpetual state of. I am a verb – more precisely, a Gerund (verb functioning as a noun) and I was living before I was legally defined and named. I am not substantive. In every way I am able to discern, I am a complex verb state in private with the capacity to interface with the public by way of my personhood. A human is to a person in the same manner that a corporation, trust, municipality, LLC, organization, co-op, etc is to a person. We are but one type of many different legal persons and no person is a living individual unless it has been stated as a fact of a matter on the public record. Some may think this is a lot of wordplay however, if juris-diction is the power of authority in a judge to pronounce the sentence of law, then every utterance must be consciously articulated else what is reflected as true on the record may not be necessarily be what one truly intended it to mean. (Continued in next comment.)

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By: John Daly https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-333270 Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:00:28 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-333270 Legalities are yet to be decided, but as far as I see there is little difference between a musician influenced by years of listening to their favourite music creating a song with Emin, A, F#min, D or whatever, and Ai creating a track of your preferred genre by pillaging decades of human generated music. I remember when electric guitars were frowned on because they did not produce the sound of a ‘real’ guitar. Things change, embrace the new, The debate goes on…

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By: Simon Taylor https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-329190 Wed, 14 Jun 2023 07:46:48 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-329190 Hey Krisna, thanks for the question.

Firstly, if you have written a song and recorded the song yourself, with no other musicians involved, then you own 100% of the publishing and master recording rights – you can do anything you choose with the song without limitations.

However, should you wish to replace your vocals with another voice, then the performance of the vocal should be credited to the vocalist and any performance royalties given.

The problems start if that voice is an AI voice – The law hasn’t decided how to handle AI generation of artworks including music, so you have no way of knowing whether using the AI vocal as an acapella version of your song will be judged legal or illegal. At the moment the advice is to stay away from ‘monitising’ anything AI in music, including vocals. But if you do proceed and use an AI ‘Arianan Grande’ to sing your song, I would credit the AI in the title so everyone knows and that gives the owner of the voice the chance to object and ask you to delete the acapella version of the song.

This is a scary form of AI in my opinion. Imagine you are ‘Arianan Grande’ and you hear your voice singing songs you have never sung! Some artists would love the thought, some would be horrified – Personally, I think until I know that the artist is okay with me using their AI voice and given musicians the go-ahead to use it I will stay away myself. Good luck if you experiment.

Please note: I am not a legal person and this is not legal advise, simply my interpretation, please do your own research.

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By: Krisna https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-327952 Mon, 05 Jun 2023 15:30:41 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-327952 Hello, I want ask, Can AI cover song get monetize on youtube?

How about I wrote the song, then record song, then I generate my Acapella by AI cover for examlpe Ariana Grande model, this is legal? Can monetize ?

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By: Simon Taylor https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-321943 Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:07:54 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-321943 …and how mind blowing the amount of AI music that can and will be created. As a quick test I just generated a piece of AI music – it took 12 seconds!!! 12 seconds!!! Think of all the users, all over the world, clicking buttons every 12 seconds!! So no less numerous than clip art, agreed, but the difference I see in the analogy is that AI music is perfectly usable in the right context and difficult differentiate from bespoke written tunes – depending on the source site. AI music can be of a excellent quality and whether it is profitable to the individual songwriter will come down to chance and capturing imaginations as it is now.

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By: David Harper https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-321775 Mon, 24 Apr 2023 23:13:40 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-321775 Ooh this is going to get crazy messy. Copyright infringement has been all over the map in recent years. People have lost in court simply for grabbing a vibe that belonged to an artist. Melody note counting will be easier than ever with new technology. When big money is on the line, we’re going to see big lawsuits. So far the Library of Congress refuses to grant copyrights to anything other than human composition. It sure will be interesting to see where all this is going. I don’t find myself hopeful in terms of songwriter growth. Listeners’ expectations have already been lowered below absurdity. AI arriving now, on the heels of streaming just completes the mediocre puzzle. The great ones will rise to the top. The rest of AI players will be no more valuable than clip-art.

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By: Simon Taylor https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2023/04/16/ai-music-copyright/#comment-321388 Fri, 21 Apr 2023 11:05:58 +0000 https://bedroomproducersblog.com/?p=46649#comment-321388 In reply to foxAsteria.

Great comment. Yes agree, there is nothing more valuable than time. Play the game however makes you happy. Create art however ‘feels’ right. The most important thing is to enjoy your own ride! There is a great freedom in creating and letting go without any further thought for what happens next. It focuses the mind…create/release, create/release…create/release……..

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